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Unread 12-17-2008, 06:42 AM   #1
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So here is my first attempt for calibration for Input 1 (Pioneer DV-600 DVD player).
This is the workflow I followed:
-Set white level (30-35ftL)
-Set black level (IRE100Y*0.65=IRE10Y)
-Gray scale 30, 80 RGB correction
-9G correction

Pioneer PDP-428XD ISF-Night Settings

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 0
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: +1
B High: +2
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R +1
10%G +1
10%B +1
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R +1
90%G 0
90%B 0

I used i1 pro with HCFR (dummy guide made it more familiar to me than Calman) and ofcourse ControlCAL.
The whole procedure is a great fun!
ControlCAL run without problems, everything was very easy, thank you for this great program!

Please tell me your opinion and if I could do anything to improve this calibration!
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And here is bumtious D65 measures...
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Can you use the ISFccc Posted Settings Format for your Settings (like this example)?
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I will do, I have to connect my pc to my tv again to see them.
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Unread 12-18-2008, 06:16 AM   #6
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I updated my first two posts.
How can I move colors on x and y axis? Only with CMS??
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The Pioneer's do not have a true/complete CMS.

However, use the CMS Controls but don't move them more than 2/3 either direction....

Also, double check your grayscale again after using the CMS Controls.
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The Pioneer's do not have a true/complete CMS.

However, use the CMS Controls but don't move them more than 2/3 either direction....

Also, double check your grayscale again after using the CMS Controls.
I tried the "CMS" but it moves color only to one direction, x I think, can I move it to the other too?
Also, as you say, even a single move, destroys my gray scale...

Is my gamma good, or should I try improve it?

How can I calibrate analog tuner A? I just copied my calibration for intput 1 to analog tuner A. Is there a better way?
Thank you for helping!
Even now my settings are better than bumtious D65 hdmi settings.
This weekend I try a calibration with color space 1.
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Here is my last calibration, please advise me if it is good and if I should try to improve it. I have a great difficulty after I change cms... I can't get the gamma back again...

Is it any diffrence if I put
R High: -4
G High: +1
B High: +2

or
R High: -3
G High: +2
B High: +3

??
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Unread 12-21-2008, 10:48 PM   #10
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It's suggested that you adjust the G Highs/Lows as a last resort.. can you try only using RB High/Low Controls.

In regards to CMS, try not moving those more than 2/3 in either direction. btw, what are your CMS Settings?

I see your Color is at 0, how did you arrive at not needed to adjust it?
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Yesterday I put Color to +3. Delta E for colors became much better.

In HCFR Advanced | Preferences... | References |
it was at Display Gamma (with black compensation) at default, Wolfy advised me to put it to Display Gamma (without black compensation). I did this and my gamma changed a lot at IRE10. I think I have to put gamma point 1 from +1 to 0 for all colors.
I will test again and write here my latest settings.
Thank you for help!
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Here are the results, Display Gamma (without black compensation) made a big diffrence (improvement).
I wonder if I could do something for green color in cie triangle...
Maybe next steps will be to try to raise Contrast.
Any suggestions?
Thank you!

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 1
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: 0
B High: +2
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0
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File Type: jpg cie.jpg (72.7 KB, 24 views)
File Type: jpg luminance.jpg (57.8 KB, 13 views)
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Can you also attached screen caps of your ColorHCFR graphs/reports (JPG or PNG Format) since some other applications like CalMAN?

If you do, we can view the graph/report withing the Forum Post..
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Of course, Merry Christmas!
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Should I try to correct gamut? I tried today, but, as expected, gamma got worse... I think I should sacrifice gamut and keep gamma as it is.
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And here are the results after I corrected some colors (unfortunately not green):


Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 0
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -4
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: -2

Color Management
R: -4
Y: 1
G: 1
C: 1
B: 0
M: 1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

I wonder which settings are better, with corrected colors or not? Which should I keep and imrpove? Thank you!
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Can you also attached screen caps of your ColorHCFR graphs/reports (JPG or PNG Format) since some other applications like CalMAN?

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I was doing exactly that as you were writing the message!!
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Here are my latest Settings. Colors corrected, Pure Cinema to 1. Gamma has an s-shape, how could I correct it?

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: +1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 1
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 0
I-P Mode: 1
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 2
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

RGB Controls
R High: -5
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: -2

Color Management
R: -4
Y: +1
G: +1
C: +1
B: 0
M: +1

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0
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...and some more graphs.
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