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Unread 10-24-2009, 02:33 PM   #21
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PS3
  • Colorspace: RGB
  • RGB: Limited
  • Superwhite: On
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Unread 10-24-2009, 03:50 PM   #22
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So I should not be using ypbcbcr at all? I thought that was the colorsppace for hd movies. Oh well, if that's the right way.
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Unread 10-25-2009, 01:25 AM   #23
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Okay, here is my latest run on TV#1. One thing to note is that on the avs 709 disc, I can only see 19 through 25 flash on the first brightness pattern. However, I did the calculations you are supposed to do which were Y at 100%IRE=154.079x0.0065 says my Y reading for 10% IRE should be 1.0015. I am getting a Y reading at 10%IRE of 0.882. Am I crushing blacks? Oh and I am at 44.974ftL.
Color 37

brightness 0

CMS all 0.

Color +3.

RBG (in order as listed in controlcal.)

-3
-1
+5
-2
+1
0

Gamma is all +1,0,0 from 1 to 9.
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Unread 10-25-2009, 10:57 AM   #24
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Looking good..

How's your favorite content/movie(s) look?


Did you do one for isf Night at around 30-34fL too?
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Unread 10-25-2009, 11:22 AM   #25
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My content is looking a little dim. It seems to lack punch. The most current run I did with the flatter gamma seems to be crushing blacks and just looks a bit dim. The last run I posted looks brighter but the blacks look not as deep as I would expect after numbers as good as I have been able to achieve. Do you have any input on the brightness issue I posted above as far as the crushing of the blacks? Oh, and 30-34 footlamberts is just way too dim for my liking. I have dynamic eyes and can't enjoy a picture unless it is at least somewhat punchy. Also any suggestions on how to operate the CMS without demolishing the gamma? Not so much on this TV, but on the other one with the horrible magenta. Haven't posted it yet but my greyscale and gamma are even better looking on that set and I squeezed almost 47 footlamberts out of it but the color suffers because of the magenta.

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Unread 10-25-2009, 12:01 PM   #26
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I have to admit, I have not seen anyone post positive numbers/settings for the 9-Point Gamma Controls.

I'm also confused what your PS3 settings are and how you setup the colorspace on that Input in the Kuro. Is the PS3 connected directly to the Kuro(s)?

EDIT: Also, are you calibrating in a dark room or is ambient light hitting the screen
Are you using the latest version of AVS HD 709?
What Brightness setting will get you 17-18 flashing on the first Pattern? On the 2nd Pattern, is 19-25 flashing?

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Unread 10-25-2009, 12:16 PM   #27
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Have you tried a run with Contrast at 35 or 36, also at 38?
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However, I did the calculations you are supposed to do which were Y at 100%IRE=154.079x0.0065 says my Y reading for 10% IRE
I would not rely on the I1 Pro at 10
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Unread 10-25-2009, 12:21 PM   #29
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PS3 is set at colorspace rbg, superwhite on, limited range. Kuro is set 16-235. Kuro is connected directly via hdmi cable. Using latest version of avs 709 disc. Brightness at +1 gets 17 through 25 flashing on the first screen. On the second only 18 through 25 flash. Brightness at 0 19 through 25 flash on the 1st screen, even less on the second. Started a run at 38 contrast and 36 contrast. Have not yet started one at 35.
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Unread 10-25-2009, 12:23 PM   #30
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I would not rely on the I1 Pro at 10
So then I should strictly go by which screen on the 709 disc, the 1st one or the second one with contrast on the top and bottom?
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Brightness at 0 19 through 25 flash on the 1st screen, even less on the second.
On the 2nd Pattern, what range flashes when Bright at 0?

NOTE: In a dark room
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Make sure you use D-Nice's workflow (updated): http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=404

You will of course skip CMS
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On the 2nd pattern with brightness set at 0, 19 through 25 flash. I guess I was mistaken, I can see 18 flashing ever so slightly If I look close on the first pattern, but on the 2nd, only 19 through 25 flash.
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I'd stick with Brightness 0 then..
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Unread 10-25-2009, 04:07 PM   #35
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So even though 17 does not flash I should stick with 0? Won't I be crushing blacks?
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It's right for the 2nd Pattern, close on the first

I usually see 0 on the Kuros though sometimes it was set to 1
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Okay Turbe thanx for the input. Now what contrast setting do you usually see on the kuros. Do you think it is best to start adjusting over a brightness setting of o and a contrast setting of 38? According to D-Nice's workflow, I should not adjust gamma as I adjust rbgs? That could be a problem for me because every time I try that, The gamma ends up beig split apart from blue and as I adjust the blue gamma to the target, the blue from the greyscale peels away from it's target. What do you suggest to fight that issue?
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Yes, I understand the 2009 151 Builds can be tricky.. you have to do what you have to do

His workflow does have you going back to previous steps as needed

I'd do sessions at 38 and 35 or 38 and 36 (Contrast)
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So even though 17 does not flash I should stick with 0? Won't I be crushing blacks?
btw, similar (though making some adjustments in the source) questions were asked by others recently: http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...p?t=107&page=3
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Unread 10-26-2009, 01:16 PM   #40
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Okay, here it is, the final run on the first TV. Tell me what you think. This is at around 44 and a half footlamberts. Guess I lost the gamut file, but it looked pretty good.
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